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asj





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 2:32:00 Top

java-programmer, Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand Notes on initial responses to Samsung blu-ray launch, people already
buying players before content, and Java BD-J authoring of Blu-ray discs

* Posted while eating late lunch on Nokia 9300 and Opera Mini Java
browser.


http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Sony/Samsung/Hardware/Blu-ray_Assault_to_Begin_Samsung_Proclaims_Incredible_Pre-Sales/111

Blu-ray Assault to Begin; Samsung Proclaims 'Incredible' Pre-Sales

After months of speculation, excitement and street date delays, the
Blu-ray
format is set to launch over the next week amid a flurry of marketing
hype
for the format's first player and discs.

Samsung began shipping its first stand-alone Blu-ray disc player, the
BD-P1000, to stores last week in anticipation for its on-sale street
date of
June 25. Sony will prime the pump for the player's debut by issuing
its
first seven Blu-ray disc titles tomorrow, June 20; Lionsgate will
launch its
support for Blu-ray with another six titles on June 27.

Samsung plans to have its player in over 2,000 storefronts nationwide,
including such major chains as Best Buy and Circuit City. In
conjunction
with Sony, the companies will also provide demo players and discs to
retailers to offer side-by-side comparisons with rival HD DVD in order
to
subjectively sell the format to potential consumers.

The electronics manufacturer also claims that interest in the BD-P1000
and
Blu-ray so far has been strong. "Pre-orders have been incredible,"
Samsung
spokesman Jose Cardona told Video Business.


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http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/20/sony_pictures_blu-ray_movies_today/

With Toshiba having launched its HD-A1 and HD-XA1 HD DVD videodisc
players
in April, Samsung is preparing to be the first brand to formally
launch a
competitive Blu-ray Disc player in North America, with its BD-P1000
set to
premiere on Sunday. Despite that firm date, customers nationwide are
already reporting having purchased BD-P1000s from Best Buy store
shelves -
just sitting there nonchalantly like any other DVD player, as if shelf
stockers didn't know the difference. But today, those early adopters
will
finally be able to play real BD media - not just upconverted SD media
- as
Sony Pictures releases the first batch of BD movies today.

Video outlets today should already have received, and will likely have
displays ready for, 50 First Dates (Adam Sandler, Drew Barrymore),
Hitch
(Will Smith), House of Flying Daggers, the original Terminator, the
sci-fi
"new cult classic" The Fifth Element (Bruce Willis), Underworld
Evolution,
and XXX (the film, not the rating). One title, A Knight's Tale,
originally
scheduled for release today, is being pushed back to 25 July. The
high-energy motorcycle violence film Ultraviolet joins the line-up
next
Tuesday. Lion's Gate Home Entertainment is due to follow up next
Tuesday
with the BD releases of 2006 Best Picture Crash, Terminator 2:
Judgment Day,
the horror flick Saw, Lord of War (Nicholas Cage), and the Marvel
Comics
vigilante piece The Punisher.

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Java: Brave New Disc-Authoring World
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,126163,00.asp

Blu-ray Disc relies on BD-Java (BD-J) for its disc-authoring
environment;
HD DVD uses Microsoft's XML-based iHD, or Internet High Definition. "I
think
BD-J is better future-proofed," says Eklund. "But it is complex," and
implementing it properly will take more time, he says.

The switch to BD-J required adding programmers and engineers to the
disc-production mix.
BD-J has two different profiles. Sony's first content will be in what
Eklund
refers to as BD-MV, or "movie mode." "The menus will still be quite
different than what you're accustomed to with DVD," he promises.
"BD-MV is a
powerful format for creating interactive menus, and it will give a
better,
more seamless experience than what users are getting from DVD. You
don't
have to jump around between menu pages as you do with DVD. We use a
graphics
layer to present all of the text information, so you don't have to go
back
and access the disc in order to access the menus. We also have a tool
called
a pop-up menu that the user can use to access disc features during the
movie's playback, so, for example, you can get to a commentary track."

As powerful as BD-MV is, it has its limitations. "We are currently
still
investigating how we're going to author picture-in-picture content,"
says
Eklund. "But I'm sure we will be exploring that later on in the year."

 
asj





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 3:40:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand
Ray Ingles wrote:
> Gee, really pulling out all the stops there. I'm a big fan of the
> Terminator (the movie, not the governor), but even I wouldn't shell out
> that kind of cash to watch it in HD... and I wouldn't shell out *any*
> amount of cash for the others

Only the initial group of titles from one of many studios. Hold on to
your hats, the battle for the world's living rooms is about to turn
hot. Microsoft with its stoodge toshiba on one end and Java/Linux/etc
on the other side.

 
asj





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 8:31:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand Joshua Zyber wrote:
>>http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Sony/Samsung/Hardware/Blu-ray_Assault_to_Begin_Samsung_Proclaims_Incredible_Pre-Sales/111
> >
> > Blu-ray Assault to Begin; Samsung Proclaims 'Incredible' Pre-Sales
>
> You're getting desperate now. The players and discs are out in people's
> hands, and even the format's biggest former cheerleaders are calling it
> a dog.


LOL....i think everyone pretty much can figure out who's "desperate",
and it begins with the letter "T".....oh, yeah, links, dude....

 
 
asj





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 10:22:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand Joshua Zyber wrote:
> www.avsforum.com
>
> Go to the Blu-Ray sections and marvel at the sheer volume of people
> voicing their disappointment.

How many times are you going to use a FORUM as some sort of proof.
There are obviously two camps here, and citing a forum filled with both
sides is not considered "proof" of anything.

I cite news reports showing that HD-DVD is falling flat on its face,
with slow sales and Warner cutting HDDVD titles, you give me a FORUM.
Great job.

 
 
asj





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 10:28:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand
asj wrote:
> Joshua Zyber wrote:
> > www.avsforum.com
> >
> > Go to the Blu-Ray sections and marvel at the sheer volume of people
> > voicing their disappointment.
>
> How many times are you going to use a FORUM as some sort of proof.
> There are obviously two camps here, and citing a forum filled with both
> sides is not considered "proof" of anything.
>
> I cite news reports showing that HD-DVD is falling flat on its face,
> with slow sales and Warner cutting HDDVD titles, you give me a FORUM.
> Great job.


Hands On: Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-Ray Player
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/002302.html

Design. The industrial design of the Samsung is far superior to that of
the HD-A1 in several ways. The sleek, piano-black box has a tapered
look; a circular, pressure-based front navigation panel; comfortable,
lightweight remote control; and a 10-in-2 card slot reader for reading
photos or MP3s. The player even resumes disc playback where you left
off, whether you press stop, or you power the unit down-a nice touch.


Responsiveness. Again, the Samsung rates ahead here. Across a variety
of standard definition and high definition films I threw at it, the
Samsung was generally fast at navigating around and titles and menu
options, and the remote's soft-mold buttons responded to my commands
in a timely fashion. Sometimes, the Sony BD discs I tried (including
House of Flying Daggers and Fifty First Dates) were a bit sluggish when
accessing chapters, but this problem did not seem evident with
standard-def discs, which leads me to believe it's an issue with the
discs, not the Samsung player.

 
 
Roy L. Fuchs





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 12:24:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On 20 Jun 2006 12:40:23 -0700, "asj" <email***@***.com> Gave us:

>
>Ray Ingles wrote:
>> Gee, really pulling out all the stops there. I'm a big fan of the
>> Terminator (the movie, not the governor), but even I wouldn't shell out
>> that kind of cash to watch it in HD... and I wouldn't shell out *any*
>> amount of cash for the others
>
>Only the initial group of titles from one of many studios. Hold on to
>your hats, the battle for the world's living rooms is about to turn
>hot. Microsoft with its stoodge toshiba on one end and Java/Linux/etc
>on the other side.

I'll say it one more time, fucktard. My machine is ALSO under
Linux, and also works with interactive discs, even that type of media
on std DVDs.

Get off your low horse, retard.
 
 
Roy L. Fuchs





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 12:35:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On 20 Jun 2006 19:22:28 -0700, "asj" <email***@***.com> Gave us:

>Joshua Zyber wrote:
>> www.avsforum.com
>>
>> Go to the Blu-Ray sections and marvel at the sheer volume of people
>> voicing their disappointment.
>
>How many times are you going to use a FORUM as some sort of proof.

You're an idiot. The people's voice, as well as the LACK of sales
will ALWAY, and has ALWAYS been the engine of commerce. If it is
shit, the fish won't bite... at all...

Reviews are everything. Just ask ANY broadway producer that has ever
had a "bomb" that was thought to be a "sure thing"...

>There are obviously two camps here, and citing a forum filled with both
>sides is not considered "proof" of anything.

You're an idiot. They are reviews by VIDEOPHILES that bought the
machines! As well as folks that were given players FOR review.

>I cite news reports showing that HD-DVD is falling flat on its face,

No. YOU drew that conclusion. The news merely stated a slight
slowing in sales.

>with slow sales and Warner cutting HDDVD titles, you give me a FORUM.
>Great job.

Warner isn't "cutting" anything. It is ONE option of the many they
have, and losing money is kinda stupid. Remember "Field of Dreams"?

Here's one for you:

"If you press it, they will buy (it)." Warner isn't going to shoot
themselves in the foot.

You are an idiot.
 
 
asj





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 13:26:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2006 19:22:28 -0700, "asj" <email***@***.com> Gave us:
> >How many times are you going to use a FORUM as some sort of proof.
>
> You're an idiot. The people's voice, as well as the LACK of sales
> will ALWAY, and has ALWAYS been the engine of commerce. If it is
> shit, the fish won't bite... at all...

So....the lack of sales of HDDVD is telling...right? And the reportedly
very strong pre-sales orders for Samsung's Blu-ray player is also
telling, right?

And btw, being foul-mouthed and repeating all the time that someone is
an "idiot" with no particularly congent argument to back this up makes
YOU look like the idiot.

>
> Reviews are everything. Just ask ANY broadway producer that has ever
> had a "bomb" that was thought to be a "sure thing"...


Going to a forum where there are opinions from both sides of the
fanbase is not as enlightening as going to a non-biased review (and i
provided one link from PC mag where the reviewer clearly favored
Samsung's Blu-ray). There seems to be a faction that desperately wants
HDDVD to succeed and Blu-ray to fail. Unfortunately for this faction,
they're not going to get their wish.

Content is everything, and the LACK of content for HDDVD is again,
telling. It sucks when most studios back the other side....

 
 
Joshua Zyber





PostPosted: 2006-6-21 19:52:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand "asj" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
news:email***@***.com...
> Joshua Zyber wrote:
>> www.avsforum.com
>>
>> Go to the Blu-Ray sections and marvel at the sheer volume of people
>> voicing their disappointment.
>
> How many times are you going to use a FORUM as some sort of proof.

You obviously don't know anything about AVSForum. It's where hardcore
home theater enthusiasts and many industry representatives discuss the
intricate technical workings of new products.

> There are obviously two camps here, and citing a forum filled with
> both
> sides is not considered "proof" of anything.
>
> I cite news reports showing that HD-DVD is falling flat on its face,
> with slow sales and Warner cutting HDDVD titles, you give me a FORUM.
> Great job.

A PR release from Samsung is not a "news report", dumbass.

> Going to a forum where there are opinions from both sides of the
> fanbase is not as enlightening as going to a non-biased review

Your logic astounds me. By your reasoning, hearing opinions from both
sides of the argument is less helpful than reading heavily biased
articles likely paid for by one of those sides? Fascinating.


 
 
Jeff Rife





PostPosted: 2006-6-22 4:40:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand Joshua Zyber (email***@***.com) wrote in alt.video.dvd:
> > Going to a forum where there are opinions from both sides of the
> > fanbase is not as enlightening as going to a non-biased review
>
> Your logic astounds me. By your reasoning, hearing opinions from both
> sides of the argument is less helpful than reading heavily biased
> articles likely paid for by one of those sides? Fascinating.

It does seem weird to me, too. Even he thinks AVS Forum has opinions on
both sides of the issue. And if both sides are represented, then if the
BD-1000P were significantly better than (or even as good as) the HD-A1,
there would be a *lot* of people saying just that.

Since it's clear from AVS Forum posts that the first Blu-Ray player isn't
worth the $1,000 price tag, and that the first HD-DVD player is a better
deal, either everybody there is an HD-DVD shill, or the BD-1000P just isn't
that good. When you go back and look at previous posts where people tout
how much better Blu-Ray will be, and now turn an about face when they get
the actual player and movies, that says that even the Blu-Ray supporters
are disappointed, which is a bad, bad sign for the format.

--
Jeff Rife | "I'm putting on a happy face...I'm taking the
| high road.... It's just three hours out of my
| life, and, oh yes, I'm drinking straight vodka."
| -- Caroline Duffy, "Caroline In The City"
 
 
Roy L. Fuchs





PostPosted: 2006-6-22 12:20:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:40:17 GMT, Jeff Rife <email***@***.com> Gave us:

>Joshua Zyber (email***@***.com) wrote in alt.video.dvd:
>> > Going to a forum where there are opinions from both sides of the
>> > fanbase is not as enlightening as going to a non-biased review
>>
>> Your logic astounds me. By your reasoning, hearing opinions from both
>> sides of the argument is less helpful than reading heavily biased
>> articles likely paid for by one of those sides? Fascinating.
>
>It does seem weird to me, too. Even he thinks AVS Forum has opinions on
>both sides of the issue. And if both sides are represented, then if the
>BD-1000P were significantly better than (or even as good as) the HD-A1,
>there would be a *lot* of people saying just that.

And we won't even mention a comparison with the HD-XA1! ;-]
>
>Since it's clear from AVS Forum posts that the first Blu-Ray player isn't
>worth the $1,000 price tag, and that the first HD-DVD player is a better
>deal, either everybody there is an HD-DVD shill, or the BD-1000P just isn't
>that good.

So, just where are those comparisons to the flagship Toshiba player?
The HD-XA1???

> When you go back and look at previous posts where people tout
>how much better Blu-Ray will be, and now turn an about face when they get
>the actual player and movies, that says that even the Blu-Ray supporters
>are disappointed, which is a bad, bad sign for the format.

OOoooopps! Looks like my secret midnight hexes are working... ;-]
 
 
Larry Qualig





PostPosted: 2006-6-23 9:45:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand
asj wrote:
> Ray Ingles wrote:
> > Gee, really pulling out all the stops there. I'm a big fan of the
> > Terminator (the movie, not the governor), but even I wouldn't shell out
> > that kind of cash to watch it in HD... and I wouldn't shell out *any*
> > amount of cash for the others
>
> Only the initial group of titles from one of many studios. Hold on to
> your hats, the battle for the world's living rooms is about to turn
> hot. Microsoft with its stoodge toshiba on one end and Java/Linux/etc
> on the other side.

It is the consumer that will determine the ultimate winner in the
HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray battle. Consumers don't know and don't care what
format MS, Java, Linux, etc are standing behind. What consumers care
about is cost. When they walk into a BestBuy/CircuitCity store and see
one unit selling for $1000 and another unit for $599 they will buy the
less expensive model.

They won't care which one has marginally better quality video. Most
people can can tell the difference between standard video and HD but
few consumers will be able to discern the subtle difference in quality
between these two formats. The difference in price... that's something
they understand.

At current prices not enough of either format will be sold to determine
the outcome. The real battle will be to see which format can break the
$399 barrier first. My prediction... first player to sell for $399 or
less will be the winner.

 
 
poldy





PostPosted: 2006-6-23 10:57:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand In article <email***@***.com>,
"Joshua Zyber" <email***@***.com> wrote:

> You obviously don't know anything about AVSForum. It's where hardcore
> home theater enthusiasts and many industry representatives discuss the
> intricate technical workings of new products.

Well, more from the HD-DVD side than BR.

Yes the widespread opinion is the first Sony Blu-Ray releases are
disappointing.

But is that reason to dismiss the format? Were DVD releases always
pristine from the start?

Also, will MS always handhold the HD-DVD encoding and authoring?
 
 
Roy L. Fuchs





PostPosted: 2006-6-23 14:18:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:56:43 -0700, poldy <email***@***.com> Gave us:

>But is that reason to dismiss the format? Were DVD releases always
>pristine from the start?

Most. Let's just say the BluTurd is looking a lot like the first
"madlay"?? <sp> release of Metropolis". It was truly sad.
 
 
Roy L. Fuchs





PostPosted: 2006-6-23 14:18:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:56:43 -0700, poldy <email***@***.com> Gave us:

>
>Also, will MS always handhold the HD-DVD encoding and authoring?

The encoding is by the Motion Picture Experts Group.

Authoring? The studios...
 
 
Linonut





PostPosted: 2006-6-23 19:51:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand After takin' a swig o' grog, Larry Qualig belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> They won't care which one has marginally better quality video. Most
> people can can tell the difference between standard video and HD but
> few consumers will be able to discern the subtle difference in quality
> between these two formats. The difference in price... that's something
> they understand.

It is weird. I've not been impressed with the hi-def feeds of the World
Cup that I've seen. Is it the monitors used, or some limitation in the
feeds? I though HD would be sharp, but I've only seen that one time --
in a museum exhibit a few years ago.

--
Real programmers don't use Pascal.
 
 
Roy L. Fuchs





PostPosted: 2006-6-24 11:14:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:50:40 -0500, Linonut <email***@***.com> Gave
us:

>It is weird. I've not been impressed with the hi-def feeds of the World
>Cup that I've seen. Is it the monitors used, or some limitation in the
>feeds? I though HD would be sharp, but I've only seen that one time --
>in a museum exhibit a few years ago.

Unless you are getting it "off air" it has been reprocessed. In
other words, if it is coming off cable, it ain't true HD anymore.

Satellite HD still IS, as well as off air HDTV content from local
broadcasters. In such cases, one can tell exactly how many grams of
grass stain have been shoved into the player's jersey shoulder.
Literally.
 
 
Jay G.





PostPosted: 2006-6-25 6:13:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:17:39 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:56:43 -0700, poldy <email***@***.com> Gave us:
>
>>But is that reason to dismiss the format? Were DVD releases always
>>pristine from the start?
>
> Most.

"Most" as in, "a lot were still non-anamorphic transfers taken from
laserdisc masters, and the majority of them have had later re-releases that
considerably increased image quality."

-Jay
 
 
Jay G.





PostPosted: 2006-6-26 19:57:00 Top

java-programmer >> Samsung Blu-ray pre-orders incredible: Java Blu-ray authoring in high demand On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:13:48 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:50:40 -0500, Linonut <email***@***.com> Gave
> us:
>
>>It is weird. I've not been impressed with the hi-def feeds of the World
>>Cup that I've seen. Is it the monitors used, or some limitation in the
>>feeds? I though HD would be sharp, but I've only seen that one time --
>>in a museum exhibit a few years ago.
>
> Unless you are getting it "off air" it has been reprocessed. In
> other words, if it is coming off cable, it ain't true HD anymore.

OTA isn't technically "true HD" since it's still MPEG2 compressed. It's
usually the best looking though, since all other live feeds are taken from
that stream. Unless you're talking about something other than network
material.

> Satellite HD still IS,

Unless you're talking about DirectTV or Dish, in which case it isn't.

> as well as off air HDTV content from local
> broadcasters.

Unless they've reprocessed it instead of just passing it through.

> In such cases, one can tell exactly how many grams of
> grass stain have been shoved into the player's jersey shoulder.
> Literally.

Unless it's an overhead shot from a blimp.

-Jay