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java-programmer, eclipse John Bailo wrote:
> http://www.eclipse.org
>

The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
want to take a look at one of these alternatives:

http://jedit.org

Supports several development languages and a huge
assortment of feature plugins. You can script out
your own shell tools as macros and make them available
as buttons on your toolbar.

http://netbeans.org

Similar to JEdit but with a GUI designer for Java apps.
Also lots of plugins and multi-language support.

The nice thing about having IDEs written in Java is
the cross-platform support; using the same environment
on any Java-enabled OS.

java-programmer >> eclipse John Bailo wrote:
> http://www.eclipse.org
>

The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
want to take a look at one of these alternatives:

http://jedit.org

Supports several development languages and a huge
assortment of feature plugins. You can script out
your own shell tools as macros and make them available
as buttons on your toolbar.

http://netbeans.org

Similar to JEdit but with a GUI designer for Java apps.
Also lots of plugins and multi-language support.

The nice thing about having IDEs written in Java is
the cross-platform support; using the same environment
on any Java-enabled OS.

java-programmer >> eclipse
"Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
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> John Bailo wrote:
> > http://www.eclipse.org
> >
>
> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
>
> http://jedit.org
>
> Supports several development languages and a huge
> assortment of feature plugins. You can script out
> your own shell tools as macros and make them available
> as buttons on your toolbar.
>
> http://netbeans.org

NetBeans (basic installation only): 80M
Eclipse + cdt: 86M

And that's two IDE's in one and it's not exactly an order of magnitude
of a difference.

java-programmer >> eclipse Luke Tulkas wrote:
> "Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
> news:AKuLAB$email***@***.com...
>> John Bailo wrote:
>>> http://www.eclipse.org
>>>
>>
>> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
>> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
>>
>> http://jedit.org
>>
>> Supports several development languages and a huge
>> assortment of feature plugins. You can script out
>> your own shell tools as macros and make them available
>> as buttons on your toolbar.
>>
>> http://netbeans.org
>
> NetBeans (basic installation only): 80M
> Eclipse + cdt: 86M
>
> And that's two IDE's in one and it's not exactly an order of magnitude
> of a difference.

First, JEdit is "order of magnitude of a difference". Second, Netbeans
ships with a GUI designer whereas Eclipse does not:

http://eclipse.org/eclipse/faq/eclipse-faq.html#users_17

" 23. Does the Eclipse SDK ship with a GUI designer?
No, the Eclipse SDK does not ship with a GUI designer"

Now, download the GEF runtime and SDK for Eclipse to get a designer
and we have an additional 6 MB for a total of 92 MB. Keep downloading
tools, plugins, and watch it bloat.

I threw in Netbeans as an alternative to JEdit if you want a GUI builder
for Java projects. Otherwise, JEdit is fine for a whopping 1.4 MB download.

java-programmer >> eclipse In comp.lang.java.advocacy Kaiser Bun <email***@***.com> wrote or quoted:
> Luke Tulkas wrote:
> > "Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
> >> John Bailo wrote:

> >>> http://www.eclipse.org
> >> http://netbeans.org
> >
> > NetBeans (basic installation only): 80M
> > Eclipse + cdt: 86M
> >
> > And that's two IDE's in one and it's not exactly an order of magnitude
> > of a difference.
>
> First, JEdit is "order of magnitude of a difference". Second, Netbeans
> ships with a GUI designer whereas Eclipse does not:
>
> http://eclipse.org/eclipse/faq/eclipse-faq.html#users_17
>
> " 23. Does the Eclipse SDK ship with a GUI designer?
> No, the Eclipse SDK does not ship with a GUI designer"

Heh - give me Eclipse's compiler anyday, though ;-)
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java-programmer >> eclipse
"Tim Tyler" <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:email***@***.com...
> In comp.lang.java.advocacy Kaiser Bun <email***@***.com> wrote or
quoted:
> > Luke Tulkas wrote:
> > > "Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
> > >> John Bailo wrote:
>
> > >>> http://www.eclipse.org
> > >> http://netbeans.org
> > >
> > > NetBeans (basic installation only): 80M
> > > Eclipse + cdt: 86M
> > >
> > > And that's two IDE's in one and it's not exactly an order of magnitude
> > > of a difference.
> >
> > First, JEdit is "order of magnitude of a difference". Second, Netbeans
> > ships with a GUI designer whereas Eclipse does not:
> >
> > http://eclipse.org/eclipse/faq/eclipse-faq.html#users_17
> >
> > " 23. Does the Eclipse SDK ship with a GUI designer?
> > No, the Eclipse SDK does not ship with a GUI designer"
>
> Heh - give me Eclipse's compiler anyday, though ;-)
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Actually, I like Eclipse and use it for most of my Java projects. However,
the compiler is the part I like the least. I prefer any IDe to use a
standard JDKs compiler. Eclipse compiler classes can not even be serialized
and subsequently be deserialized in the same class compiled with javac!
There is no advantage to having a different compiler, JBuilder's compiler
has always been a source of problems and outright bugs for me also.
Apart from that I want to switch to a new JDK as soon as it is available and
Eclipse gave me no way to evaluate the 1.5 alpha (which is now in beta
already). If the embedded compiler is only there for compilation speed than
I would like to have the option to use a standard javac because that is
speedy enough for me.
Besides, the Eclipse compiler gives nonsense-warnings on perfectly correct
code...

Silvio Bierman

java-programmer >> eclipse On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:15:36 +0000, Kaiser Bun wrote:

>
> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
>
> http://jedit.org

I like jedit because it's lite.

However, the compile feature puzzles me.

After getting the tools.jar in the right place ( by moving it to the jedit
plugins directory ) and installing the java compiler plugin, I loaded one
of my java classes and went to:

Plugin
Jcompile
Compile File

That launches a console type window and it runs its own compile command.
But it just sits there with the circle indicating something is running
continually spinning.

This class takes about 10-15s to compile.

Ps- It also requires access to a set of API classes that are on my K
driver ( I put them in my classpath and they can be read when I javac from
the command line ).

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java-programmer >> eclipse On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:15:36 +0000, Kaiser Bun wrote:

> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
>
> http://jedit.org

another jedit question.

I set my mouse to left handed, but in the editor window, Jedit reverses my
mouse buttons for a right-hander ( so the button closest to the keyboard
shows the popup menu...) Can the mouse be configured for a lefty in Jedit ?

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java-programmer >> eclipse Silvio Bierman wrote:

> "Tim Tyler" <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:email***@***.com...
>
>>In comp.lang.java.advocacy Kaiser Bun <email***@***.com> wrote or
>
> quoted:
>
>>>Luke Tulkas wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>John Bailo wrote:
>>
>>>>>>http://www.eclipse.org
>>>>>
>>>>>http://netbeans.org
>>>>
>>>>NetBeans (basic installation only): 80M
>>>>Eclipse + cdt: 86M
>>>>
>>>>And that's two IDE's in one and it's not exactly an order of magnitude
>>>>of a difference.
>>>
>>>First, JEdit is "order of magnitude of a difference". Second, Netbeans
>>>ships with a GUI designer whereas Eclipse does not:
>>>
>>>http://eclipse.org/eclipse/faq/eclipse-faq.html#users_17
>>>
>>>" 23. Does the Eclipse SDK ship with a GUI designer?
>>> No, the Eclipse SDK does not ship with a GUI designer"
>>
>>Heh - give me Eclipse's compiler anyday, though ;-)
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>
>
> Actually, I like Eclipse and use it for most of my Java projects. However,
> the compiler is the part I like the least. I prefer any IDe to use a
> standard JDKs compiler. Eclipse compiler classes can not even be serialized
> and subsequently be deserialized in the same class compiled with javac!

Sure they can. Just define a serialversionUID for the class.

> There is no advantage to having a different compiler, JBuilder's compiler
> has always been a source of problems and outright bugs for me also.

IBM has a history of making compiler's that are *more* compliant than
the Sun compiler. Several recent changes in the Sun compiler have
brought it into aligment with the specification, several years after IBM
already had it correct.

> Apart from that I want to switch to a new JDK as soon as it is available and
> Eclipse gave me no way to evaluate the 1.5 alpha (which is now in beta
> already).

There is a way to do this with Eclipse. Search the mailing lists.
Someone posted a how-to.

> If the embedded compiler is only there for compilation speed than
> I would like to have the option to use a standard javac because that is
> speedy enough for me.
> Besides, the Eclipse compiler gives nonsense-warnings on perfectly correct
> code...

Such as?

Jim S.

java-programmer >> eclipse In comp.lang.java.advocacy Silvio Bierman <email***@***.com> wrote or quoted:
> "Tim Tyler" <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:email***@***.com...

> > Heh - give me Eclipse's compiler anyday, though ;-)

[...]

> Actually, I like Eclipse and use it for most of my Java projects. However,
> the compiler is the part I like the least. I prefer any IDe to use a
> standard JDKs compiler. Eclipse compiler classes can not even be serialized
> and subsequently be deserialized in the same class compiled with javac!
> There is no advantage to having a different compiler, JBuilder's compiler
> has always been a source of problems and outright bugs for me also.
> Apart from that I want to switch to a new JDK as soon as it is available and
> Eclipse gave me no way to evaluate the 1.5 alpha (which is now in beta
> already). If the embedded compiler is only there for compilation speed than
> I would like to have the option to use a standard javac because that is
> speedy enough for me.

Compilation speed isn't the only reason - though for me it is a big deal.

You can use any complier you like with Eclipse - if you don't want all its
snazzy compilation features. Add it as an external tool.

I've done it - but I don't think many would seriously want to switch out
IBM's compiler and switch in Sun's.
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java-programmer >> eclipse John Bailo wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:15:36 +0000, Kaiser Bun wrote:
>
>
>>
>> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
>> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
>>
>> http://jedit.org
>
> I like jedit because it's lite.
>
> However, the compile feature puzzles me.
>
> After getting the tools.jar in the right place ( by moving it to the
> jedit plugins directory ) and installing the java compiler plugin, I
> loaded one of my java classes and went to:
>
> Plugin
> Jcompile
> Compile File
>
> That launches a console type window and it runs its own compile
> command. But it just sits there with the circle indicating something
> is running continually spinning.
>
> This class takes about 10-15s to compile.
>
> Ps- It also requires access to a set of API classes that are on my K
> driver ( I put them in my classpath and they can be read when I javac
> from the command line ).

I'm currently using it for my C/C++ projects. What I did was
create a macro that launches a shell command to make my
project from the project's root directory, using a different make
utility (an alternative to the default "make"), then added a
button on my toolbar to launch the macro. Take a look at
the help to get an idea of how macros and scripts work. If
you're having trouble with it and are interested in the macro
feature, I can post more info for you.

java-programmer >> eclipse John Bailo wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:15:36 +0000, Kaiser Bun wrote:
>
>
>> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
>> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
>>
>> http://jedit.org
>
> another jedit question.
>
> I set my mouse to left handed, but in the editor window, Jedit
> reverses my mouse buttons for a right-hander ( so the button closest
> to the keyboard shows the popup menu...) Can the mouse be configured
> for a lefty in Jedit ?

I'll take a look and let you know if I come across anything.

java-programmer >> eclipse Kaiser Bun wrote:

> John Bailo wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:15:36 +0000, Kaiser Bun wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
>>> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
>>>
>>> http://jedit.org
>>
>> another jedit question.
>>
>> I set my mouse to left handed, but in the editor window, Jedit
>> reverses my mouse buttons for a right-hander ( so the button closest
>> to the keyboard shows the popup menu...) Can the mouse be configured
>> for a lefty in Jedit ?
>
> I'll take a look and let you know if I come across anything.

Thanks.

But -- /Eclipse/ --- I'm .... *suspicious*

Take a nice simple java class -- editable with EditPro, compilable with
javac/ -- then in Eclipse -- a bunch of *problems*

Smacks of Micro-Sabotage !!!

--
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java-programmer >> eclipse
"Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
news:hLNMAB$email***@***.com...
> Luke Tulkas wrote:
> > "Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
> > news:AKuLAB$email***@***.com...
> >> John Bailo wrote:
> >>> http://www.eclipse.org
> >>>
> >>
> >> The Eclipse IDE is very huge and bloated. You might
> >> want to take a look at one of these alternatives:
> >>
> >> http://jedit.org
> >>
> >> Supports several development languages and a huge
> >> assortment of feature plugins. You can script out
> >> your own shell tools as macros and make them available
> >> as buttons on your toolbar.
> >>
> >> http://netbeans.org
> >
> > NetBeans (basic installation only): 80M
> > Eclipse + cdt: 86M
> >
> > And that's two IDE's in one and it's not exactly an order of
magnitude
> > of a difference.
>
> First, JEdit is "order of magnitude of a difference".

I know. I have it installed. But merely as a text editor. If I wanted to
use it as a Java IDE, I'd have to DL quite a lot of plugins. As things
stand now, all I have is syntax highlighting. Can you tell me how much
plugins (in megs) would I have to DL in order to have
1. integrated use of compilers (including rmic) and debugger
2. code completion, member insight, parameter insight, class insight,
automatic interface implementation, method overriding etc.
3. various outlines & hierarchical views
4. integrated javadoc
5. integrated (web)application server and EJB
6. integrated jar, war, etc. builders
7. integrated version control system(s)
8. refactoring tools
9. maybe even a GUI builder

I think that those 10 megs would become a lot more.

> Second, Netbeans
> ships with a GUI designer whereas Eclipse does not:
>
> http://eclipse.org/eclipse/faq/eclipse-faq.html#users_17
>
> " 23. Does the Eclipse SDK ship with a GUI designer?
> No, the Eclipse SDK does not ship with a GUI designer"
>
> Now, download the GEF runtime and SDK for Eclipse to get a designer
> and we have an additional 6 MB for a total of 92 MB. Keep downloading
> tools, plugins, and watch it bloat.

If only 6 additional megs are required then I choose Eclipse over
NetBeans anytime.

> I threw in Netbeans as an alternative to JEdit if you want a GUI
builder
> for Java projects. Otherwise, JEdit is fine for a whopping 1.4 MB
download.

It's fine, of course. For what it's meant to be. That whopping 1.4MB
becomes approx 10 megs when installed.

java-programmer >> eclipse Frankly, as a VB and Java programmer I can't think anything worse than a GUI
builder. For years I had to listen to folks deride VB as a "scripting
language" not worthy of serious consideration because a person could open it
up and within a fairly small time frame develop a decent looking application
that did useful things. Us VB'ers were cads for our lack of understanding
of OOP and the apps we created. Granted, many (99.99%) of the VB'ers never
grasped OOP, even when the language allowed for it (VB6 supports classes,
polymorphism, and interface (not implementation) inheritance).

GUI buiders, in VB or Java, are evil because they foster the "show me a
button that does something" mentality that might please your manager, but
ultiumately kills the app of any import. Sure its nice to give users an easy
to interface, but when the GUI become the driving force for an app it is
doomed.

Bottomline: the GUI should be the result of the underlying system, not the
other way around.

"Kaiser Bun" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
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> I threw in Netbeans as an alternative to JEdit if you want a GUI builder
> for Java projects. Otherwise, JEdit is fine for a whopping 1.4 MB
download.

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java-programmer >> eclipse i would like to know how to run swing programs in eclipse development
environment and also how to debug a java program step by step in
eclipse development environment

java-programmer >> eclipse You run swing programs like any other java program. But there is not wysiwyg
GUI design. May-be some plugins, but I did not use them.

To debug, edit source code, put breakpoints (click in the left margin), then
select the file where the main is and use menu run>debug as>java
application.

"sindhu" <email***@***.com> a 閏rit dans le message de
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> i would like to know how to run swing programs in eclipse development
> environment and also how to debug a java program step by step in
> eclipse development environment

java-programmer >> eclipse sindhu wrote:

> i would like to know how to run swing programs in eclipse development
> environment and also how to debug a java program step by step in
> eclipse development environment

That's what the documentation is for.
There's also help available in the application.

java-programmer >> eclipse Hi,

Is Eclipse the most powerful IDE for Java? Do we have any better free IDE
for Java?

Thanks,
Alan

java-programmer >> eclipse "A.M" <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:<u5SYc.121144$email***@***.com>...
> Hi,
>
> Is Eclipse the most powerful IDE for Java? Do we have any better free IDE
> for Java?

Not that I know of. Everyone has their favorite IDE, but I haven't
found anything that I have found to be satisfactory...

That's why I'm starting a new project called JDelphi. You can check it
out at jdelphi.dev.java.net, but there's nothing to download yet.

BTW, if you're interested in this project, and if you share the vision
behind it, your help would be very much appreciated in the development
effort.

Jonathan Neve.

java-programmer >> eclipse "A.M" <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:<u5SYc.121144$email***@***.com>...
> Hi,
>
> Is Eclipse the most powerful IDE for Java? Do we have any better free IDE
> for Java?
>
> Thanks,
> Alan

Hi,
There are many free IDEs for Java, but which one you consider "most
powerful" is upto you. Take a look at <a href=
"http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=67523">Java IDE
shootout</a> (requires free registration). Among others, it includes
Emacs and NetBeans, both of which are free. It does not include text
editors such as <a href="http://jedit.org/">JEdit</a>, a GPL'd text
editor for Java, or Vim.

Javalpha.