In praise of Eclipse

java-programmer, In praise of Eclipse On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:02:41 GMT, Dale King
<email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :

>As I said, you are actually not pointing to anything because the site
>doesn't exist, Rumsfeld explained nothing, and last I checked even if he
>had he is not a member of the Bush family.

The link has gone stale. The site itself still exists. Last time I
looked, a month or so ago it showed you a C-SPAN video of McKinney
going after Rumsfeld.

I spent 20 minutes unsuccessfully last night trying to find a new
source for it.

For more details on the loss/embezzlements see
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqeconomics.html

This is not the forum to discuss. Try alt.politics.bush

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Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm

Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:02:41 GMT, Dale King
<email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :

>As I said, you are actually not pointing to anything because the site
>doesn't exist, Rumsfeld explained nothing, and last I checked even if he
>had he is not a member of the Bush family.

The link has gone stale. The site itself still exists. Last time I
looked, a month or so ago it showed you a C-SPAN video of McKinney
going after Rumsfeld.

I spent 20 minutes unsuccessfully last night trying to find a new
source for it.

For more details on the loss/embezzlements see
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqeconomics.html

This is not the forum to discuss. Try alt.politics.bush

--
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm

Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse Roedy Green wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:02:41 GMT, Dale King
> <email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :
>
>
>>As I said, you are actually not pointing to anything because the site
>>doesn't exist, Rumsfeld explained nothing, and last I checked even if he
>>had he is not a member of the Bush family.
>
>
> The link has gone stale. The site itself still exists. Last time I

The site didn't seem to exist for me, but who really cares.

> looked, a month or so ago it showed you a C-SPAN video of McKinney
> going after Rumsfeld.

And the written transcript is available all over the place. Yes, I agree
that McKinney was definitely going after Rumsfeld, but there was no
confession as you claim. Accusations != confession.

> I spent 20 minutes unsuccessfully last night trying to find a new
> source for it.
>
> For more details on the loss/embezzlements see
> http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqeconomics.html
>
> This is not the forum to discuss. Try alt.politics.bush

And that is the point. I don't want to discuss it. This is not the forum
for this crap so lose the sig!

--
Dale King

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:10:19 GMT, Dale King
<email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :

>The site didn't seem to exist for me, but who really cares.

You were putting me down further than I deserved, hinting the site was
something I made up.

The site does exist. The link works. It is just the link there to the
C-span video now points to the wrong place.

--
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm

Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse Roedy Green wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:10:19 GMT, Dale King
> <email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :
>
>
>>The site didn't seem to exist for me, but who really cares.
>
> You were putting me down further than I deserved, hinting the site was
> something I made up.

I made no such hint. I tried going to www.infowars.com and got nothing
and still get nothing. I know the site existed at one time because it
shows up in Google.

Frankly, I was a little ticked off at you putting someone else down
telling them to follow the URL when the URL was not valid.

> The site does exist. The link works. It is just the link there to the
> C-span video now points to the wrong place.

So who cares about video. The transcript is available and it doesn't
contain what you said it does and is no way connected to Bush.

So I have disproven the claim in your sig and yet you still keep pushing
the lies.

Get it out of the group!

--
Dale King

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:21:08 GMT, Dale King
<email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :

>
>Frankly, I was a little ticked off at you putting someone else down
>telling them to follow the URL when the URL was not valid.

But the url works just fine for me. This implies there is some problem
with your DNS look up.

try a ping on vww.infowars.com. You should get
67.19.213.18

Perhaps some big brother is blocking you.

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Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm

Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:21:08 GMT, Dale King
> <email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :
>
>
>>Frankly, I was a little ticked off at you putting someone else down
>>telling them to follow the URL when the URL was not valid.
>
>
> But the url works just fine for me. This implies there is some problem
> with your DNS look up.
>
> try a ping on vww.infowars.com. You should get
> 67.19.213.18
>
> Perhaps some big brother is blocking you.

And the existence of infowars is immaterial. You are bombarding this
group with off-topic smears and lies. Please stop it!

--
Dale King

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:54:13 GMT, Dale King
<email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :

>
>And the existence of infowars is immaterial. You are bombarding this
>group with off-topic smears and lies. Please stop it!

It's just a tag line. You are the one wanting to off-topic discuss it
here. See my blog at http://mindprod.com/politcs/iraq.html or
alt.politics.bush if you wish to discuss it.

--
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm

Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse Roedy Green wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:54:13 GMT, Dale King
> <email***@***.com> wrote or quoted :
>
>>And the existence of infowars is immaterial. You are bombarding this
>>group with off-topic smears and lies. Please stop it!
>
> It's just a tag line. You are the one wanting to off-topic discuss it
> here.

Since you keep posting it here you are discussing it many times a day.

> See my blog at http://mindprod.com/politcs/iraq.html or
> alt.politics.bush if you wish to discuss it.

I don't want to discuss it. I don't want anyone to discuss it in this
group, because it is off-topic and doesn't belong here. But since you
won't listen to reason and keep it out of this group because it is
off-topic and is only going to cause harm to the group, then I have
resorted to showing how they are nothing but viscous smears with no
basis in reality.

Once again this has nothing to do with Java so why do you keep
bombarding the group with this crap? Take it somewhere else!

--
Dale King

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse Dale King wrote:
> Once again this has nothing to do with Java so why do you keep
> bombarding the group with this crap? Take it somewhere else!

Curiously, neither does this.

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse Alan Krueger wrote:
> Dale King wrote:
>
>> Once again this has nothing to do with Java so why do you keep
>> bombarding the group with this crap? Take it somewhere else!
>
> Curiously, neither does this.

No it doesn't have anything to do with Java, but has everything to do
with the health of the group itself and thus *is* relevant to the group.

--
Dale King

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse Roedy Green wrote:
> I made a number of tentative pokes at Eclipse before hanging in there
> long enough to want to switch over.
>
> It is not nearly as complicated as you might first think.
>
> The biggest problem is knowing what they mean by a workspace, and
> project, and a perspective. They sound grand and mysterious,but
> simple as could be.
>
> a workspace is simple the aggregate of all the source and class files
> in a one directory tree.
>
> It consists of several projects, each with many packages, each with
> many classes.
>
> The key is understanding that a project is not the same as a package
> as you may be used to thinking
>
> Eclipse has all kinds of optional windows, called views, you can bring
> up or dismiss. One of my favourites is the package explorer that lets
> you find any method or variable in any class in any package.
>
> A "perspective" then is just a convenient combination of windows/views
> -- a layout so that you can quickly bring up a convenient set for
> editing, debugging, running or any other task.
>
> Whomever assigned the keystrokes never used Windows. None of them map
> by default to the usual Windows places, not even F3. However, that
> all can be rectified with patience.
>
> It is a whole different style of working where you hand over more and
> more editing and fixing to Eclipse. Coming back it feels as if my Text
> editor is lazy or asleep.
>
> I make great use of the format and method reordering to keep programs
> tidy rather than for example taking effort to insert a new variable or
> method where it logically belongs. Just stick it at the end or right
> next the method you are working on, then let Eclipse clean it up.
>
> Don't waste keystrokes fiddling with the stars or spacing, or line
> length in comments. Eclipse will clean it all up.
>
> Use the global rename to get the names of thing absolutely perfect to
> avoid ambiguities. When the code is about done you can use longer
> names that will bake the code clearer for maintenance.
>
> I have never used a debugger that so seamlessly integrated. It points
> you to the exact place in the code every time. It does not ignore
> some breakpoints, or refuse to divulge the values of some variables
> when you hit a breakpoint. It knows the types of everything.
>
> The place that give me the biggest hassle is jar building. Eclipse
> can't seem to build a decent jar so I export and do it the old
> fashioned way. However all my pent-up class renaming, splitting, and
> moving around that I do drives that process nuts. My lists of what to
> include in the jars are always badly out of date.
>
> I have despised ant as a lot of fuss to do what you could more easily
> do with a simple bat file, but I guess I will have to learn it
> properly to use genjar.
>
>
> The bottom line, give Eclipse a try, and stick with it for a few days.
> It really is far far simpler than it first looks. This is so much
> faster than the old text editor way of writing code.
>

uh, how can I select a region surrounded by "(" and ")" in eclipse??

java-programmer >> In praise of Eclipse In article <AF_De.194413$xm3.190646@attbi_s21>,
Dale King <email***@***.com> wrote:
>resorted to showing how they are nothing but viscous smears with no
>basis in reality.

Well, you know, the more viscous the smears are, the longer it will
take to wash them off ...

Cheers
Bent D
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