Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone

java-programmer, Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone
Well, the hype sure died fast. For those morons who think 700k units
were sold over the weekend - hey idiots, that's an ESTIMATE from one
source, and the most generous one at that. The range of sales
estimates is from 250k to 700k.

In fact, some analysts have downgraded sales projections for next year
from 12 m to 8 million based on the fact that supply seemed to be more
than demand.

think about it morons. ur selling 8 million phones in a 1 BILLION unit
yearly market.

* laughing at the macnut tools who spent lots of money on a smudgy
underwhelming toy (so far), enjoying the nice breeze too

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone In article <email***@***.com>,
email***@***.com wrote:

> Well, the hype sure died fast. For those morons who think 700k units
> were sold over the weekend - hey idiots, that's an ESTIMATE from one
> source, and the most generous one at that. The range of sales
> estimates is from 250k to 700k.
>
> In fact, some analysts have downgraded sales projections for next year
> from 12 m to 8 million based on the fact that supply seemed to be more
> than demand.
>
> think about it morons. ur selling 8 million phones in a 1 BILLION unit
> yearly market.
>
> * laughing at the macnut tools who spent lots of money on a smudgy
> underwhelming toy (so far), enjoying the nice breeze too

Gotta give you credit for coming back to face the music..

BTW- that wasn't a breeze.

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java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone
Kurt wrote:
> In ar
> Gotta give you credit for coming back to face the music..
>
> BTW- that wasn't a breeze.

coming back? i was on vacation dumbkoff - 4th of July..helloo???? I
was not anywhere on the newsgroups last week....

btw, check out the growing outrage over that soldered in battery that
may last only 1 year and .cost a bundle to replace...nice huh?

The hype is gone, face it...reminds me of PS3...big hoopla at
beginning, then the reality sinks in...

gotta admit though i'd still give it a lukewarm thumbs up if they give
the software update to actually allow it to do something other than
displaying swishy graphics.

* ahhhh.....love the smell of summer....while staying productive on my
nokia 9300...you know, where you can actually EDIT word docs,
spreadsheets, and powerpoints, and play cool 3d games while watching
the tomatoes grow.

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone email***@***.com wrote:

> Well, the hype sure died fast. For those morons who think 700k units
> were sold over the weekend - hey idiots, that's an ESTIMATE from one
> source, and the most generous one at that. The range of sales
> estimates is from 250k to 700k.
>
> In fact, some analysts have downgraded sales projections for next year
> from 12 m to 8 million based on the fact that supply seemed to be more
> than demand.
>
> think about it morons. ur selling 8 million phones in a 1 BILLION unit
> yearly market.
>
> * laughing at the macnut tools who spent lots of money on a smudgy
> underwhelming toy (so far), enjoying the nice breeze too

actually, ATT has ACTIVATED 1,000,000 so that is not an "estimate". The
iphone will sell 12-20 million before the end of the year. It's a FACT
you need to understand.

Opera mini died because of the iPhone, it's as simple as that.

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone At 09 Jul 2007 17:46:12 +0000 email***@***.com wrote:

> coming back? i was on vacation dumbkoff - 4th of July..helloo???? I
> was not anywhere on the newsgroups last week....

Maybe you need a better cellphone... I was away from home almost all of
June, but managed to read usenet, keep up with e-mail, etc. on my Windows
Mobile phone. ;-)

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java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone none wrote:

> actually, ATT has ACTIVATED 1,000,000 so that is not an "estimate". The
> iphone will sell 12-20 million before the end of the year. It's a FACT
> you need to understand.

It is a common practice in NGs to provide links when throwing around
numbers.

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone At 09 Jul 2007 15:33:44 +0000 email***@***.com wrote:
>
> Well, the hype sure died fast. For those morons who think 700k units
> were sold over the weekend - hey idiots, that's an ESTIMATE from one
> source, and the most generous one at that. The range of sales
> estimates is from 250k to 700k.

Let's say probably about 500,000. Not bad for THREE days.

> In fact, some analysts have downgraded sales projections for next year
> from 12 m to 8 million based on the fact that supply seemed to be more
> than demand.
>
> think about it morons. ur selling 8 million phones in a 1 BILLION unit
> yearly market.

No bad- that's nearly 1% for one of the most expensive phones out there
(with contract) that's being sold exclusively by one carrier per market.

8 million would roughly equal the number of RAZRs sold their first year,
IIRC. They eventually sold over 50 million after the initial price
dropped.

What other $500+ phone will sell 8 million units in twelvwe months? Not
the N95, or any HTC model.

You don't have to like the iPhone, but you can't argue that the launch
wasn't a success.

> * laughing at the macnut tools who spent lots of money on a smudgy
> underwhelming toy (so far), enjoying the nice breeze too
Laugh away. Like you, I have no interest in owning an iPhone, but unlike
you I don't seem to have a problem with people who do.

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java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone CC56 <email***@***.com> wrote:

> none wrote:
>
> > actually, ATT has ACTIVATED 1,000,000 so that is not an "estimate". The
> > iphone will sell 12-20 million before the end of the year. It's a FACT
> > you need to understand.
>
> It is a common practice in NGs to provide links when throwing around
> numbers.

not when they are accurate.

http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007/07/05/att-activates-over-1-million-i
phones/

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone none wrote:
> CC56 <email***@***.com> wrote:
>
>> none wrote:
>>
>>> actually, ATT has ACTIVATED 1,000,000 so that is not an "estimate". The
>>> iphone will sell 12-20 million before the end of the year. It's a FACT
>>> you need to understand.
>> It is a common practice in NGs to provide links when throwing around
>> numbers.
>
> not when they are accurate.
>
> http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007/07/05/att-activates-over-1-million-i
> phones/

Especially when they're accurate... even though they're from a source
"who chose to remain anonymous" and published by "Jack".

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone
CC56 wrote:
> none wrote:
> > CC56 <email***@***.com> wrote:
> >
> >> none wrote:
> >>
> >>> actually, ATT has ACTIVATED 1,000,000 so that is not an "estimate". The
> >>> iphone will sell 12-20 million before the end of the year. It's a FACT
> >>> you need to understand.
> >> It is a common practice in NGs to provide links when throwing around
> >> numbers.
> >
> > not when they are accurate.
> >
> > http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007/07/05/att-activates-over-1-million-i
> > phones/
>
> Especially when they're accurate... even though they're from a source
> "who chose to remain anonymous" and published by "Jack".

the stupidity ofanonymous buttheads quoting other anonymous buttheads
never ceases to amaze me.

btw, did that butthead actually say they would sell 20 milllion THIS
year? hey dude, those estimates are for all of NEXT year.

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone email***@***.com wrote:

> > > http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007/07/05/att-activates-over-1-million-i
> > > phones/
> >
> > Especially when they're accurate... even though they're from a source
> > "who chose to remain anonymous" and published by "Jack".
>
> the stupidity ofanonymous buttheads quoting other anonymous buttheads
> never ceases to amaze me.
>
> btw, did that butthead actually say they would sell 20 milllion THIS
> year? hey dude, those estimates are for all of NEXT year.

i realize you don't know much about the apple market, but I DO, and
apple has sold way over 1 million in 10 days. ATT has activated 1
million, and that's a raw fact.

so that turns out to be about 88 sold every minute, and sure not at iPod
levels, but pretty damn high considering it such a high end item, Apple
will sell 20 million iphones by christmas, it's a "given". do you know
what christmas is?

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java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone none <email***@***.com> wrote:

> Apple
> will sell 20 million iphones by christmas, it's a "given".

correction: Apple will sell 10 million iphones by christmas, "asjbiotek"
was attempting to lie, and i simply repeated his lie.

but 10 million iphones, by xmas of 2007, EASY.

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone none wrote:
> email***@***.com wrote:
>
>>>> http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007/07/05/att-activates-over-1-million-i
>>>> phones/
>>> Especially when they're accurate... even though they're from a source
>>> "who chose to remain anonymous" and published by "Jack".
>> the stupidity ofanonymous buttheads quoting other anonymous buttheads
>> never ceases to amaze me.
>>
>> btw, did that butthead actually say they would sell 20 milllion THIS
>> year? hey dude, those estimates are for all of NEXT year.
>
> i realize you don't know much about the apple market, but I DO, and
> apple has sold way over 1 million in 10 days. ATT has activated 1
> million, and that's a raw fact.
>
> so that turns out to be about 88 sold every minute, and sure not at iPod
> levels, but pretty damn high considering it such a high end item, Apple
> will sell 20 million iphones by christmas, it's a "given". do you know
> what christmas is?

The future, by definition, is not a "given" nor are future results yet a fact,
also by definition. While the prediction may turn out to be accurate, in
advance of the event it cannot be a fact that there will be /x/ million sold.
For all you know, water shortages or the bird flu or a catastrophic meteor
strike might moot the prediction entirely.

Shouting that a future putative result is a fact doesn't make it so.

For the record, I have no opinion about the likely success or failure of the
iPhone, nor much interest beyond a vague well-wishing for Apple to succeed
generally, based mostly on nostalgia. I just don't like to see words like
"fact" abused.

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java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone
<email***@***.com> wrote in message
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>
> Well, the hype sure died fast. For those morons who think 700k units
> were sold over the weekend - hey idiots, that's an ESTIMATE from one
> source, and the most generous one at that. The range of sales
> estimates is from 250k to 700k.
>
> In fact, some analysts have downgraded sales projections for next year
> from 12 m to 8 million based on the fact that supply seemed to be more
> than demand.
>
> think about it morons. ur selling 8 million phones in a 1 BILLION unit
> yearly market.
>
> * laughing at the macnut tools who spent lots of money on a smudgy
> underwhelming toy (so far), enjoying the nice breeze too
>

Can't figure out why people that seem to hate the iPhone, don't simply not
buy one. Why are the hate posts. If someone else wants one what's it to
you????

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone Lew <email***@***.com> wrote:

> > i realize you don't know much about the apple market, but I DO, and
> > apple has sold way over 1 million in 10 days. ATT has activated 1
> > million, and that's a raw fact.
> >
> > so that turns out to be about 88 sold every minute, and sure not at iPod
> > levels, but pretty damn high considering it such a high end item, Apple
> > will sell 20 million iphones by christmas, it's a "given". do you know
> > what christmas is?
>
> The future, by definition, is not a "given" nor are future results yet a
> fact, also by definition. While the prediction may turn out to be accurate, in
> advance of the event it cannot be a fact that there will be /x/ million sold.
> For all you know, water shortages or the bird flu or a catastrophic meteor
> strike might moot the prediction entirely.

yes, but none of what you are saying "matters", i'm just stating a
"fact" before it happens. I can do this since I know the market much
better than you. Learn this "fact" and you'll be better off.

> Shouting that a future putative result is a fact doesn't make it so.

and you are ignorant of what I'm saying.

> For the record, I have no opinion about the likely success or failure of the
> iPhone, nor much interest beyond a vague well-wishing for Apple to succeed
> generally, based mostly on nostalgia. I just don't like to see words like
> "fact" abused.

you don't understand "facts" within the realm of "advocacy", if my
"facts" do not hold up, fine, call me on that later, but the chances are
zero i'm incorrect, so it is currently a "FACT".

learn how everything in the universe works next time Lew.

thanks for trying! but learn next time......

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone CC56 <email***@***.com> wrote:

> > not when they are accurate.
> >
> > http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007/07/05/att-activates-over-1-million-i
> > phones/
>
> Especially when they're accurate... even though they're from a source
> "who chose to remain anonymous" and published by "Jack".

do you even know how this market works? you can't use a REAL name for
info like this, wait for the press release, 1,500,000 sold in the first
2 weeks if you don't believe (yet)

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java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone In article <i5Aki.8726$email***@***.com>, William
Michael Greene <email***@***.com> wrote:

> Can't figure out why people that seem to hate the iPhone, don't simply not
> buy one. Why are the hate posts. If someone else wants one what's it to
> you????

Because, apparently, it is an unforgivable sin to build something that
is good and desirable but doesn't fit EXACTLY the specs of every
potential user.

I don't know why this standard hasn't been applied to every other
device in the world before now -- certainly every single other cell
phone should be criticized as vociferously, since they do many things
worse.

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone Lew wrote:
>> The future, by definition, is not a "given" nor are future results yet a
>> fact, also by definition.

none wrote:
> yes, but none of what you are saying "matters", i'm just stating a
> "fact" before it happens. I can do this since I know the market much
> better than you. Learn this "fact" and you'll be better off.

You are wise to put "fact" in quotes.

How are you so certain of my knowledge of the market given that you have
absolutely no evidence of what I know of the market? From the same source by
which you predict the future?

Lew wrote:
>> Shouting that a future putative result is a fact doesn't make it so.

none wrote:
> and you are ignorant of what I'm saying.

Just because I disagree doesn't make me ignorant. In fact I am speaking from
definitions, which you don't really get to idiolectically alter. A fact is a
thing which has occurred, and therefore by definition cannot be before its
occurrence. My ignorance or lack thereof is immaterial.

A fact is something which is real. No prediction of the future can claim
factuality because it is literally before the fact. Calling me names doesn't
change the facts.

> you don't understand "facts" within the realm of "advocacy", if my

No, but I do understnad factuality within the realm of factuality. Again, you
are wise to place "facts" in quotes, since your use of the term is completely
at variance with the actual definition.

> "facts" do not hold up, fine, call me on that later, but the chances are
> zero i'm incorrect, so it is currently a "FACT".

How singularly arrogant of you. You aver that the chances of you being wrong
in your haughtiness are zero, but that is actually a misestimation of the odds.

You continue your wisdom of placing your unique and individual use of the word
"FACT" in quotes, I see.

> learn how everything in the universe works next time Lew.

What, from you?

For this discussion "everything in the universe" is not needed. It is enough
to note that the conventional definition of "fact" is not applicable to future
events, and your argument is shown for the egotistical excrement that it is.

> thanks for trying! but learn next time......

I continue to learn at all times. Thank you for your amazingly arrogant
presentation.

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java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone Lew <email***@***.com> wrote:

> I continue to learn at all times. Thank you for your amazingly arrogant
> presentation.

arrogance is wholly separate from "fact". i only deal in facts, so learn
how to debate next time.

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone In article <email***@***.com>, none
<email***@***.com> wrote:

> yes, but none of what you are saying "matters", i'm just stating a
> "fact" before it happens. I can do this since I know the market much
> better than you. Learn this "fact" and you'll be better off.
Sorry, dude, you're wrong.
You cannot state something is a fact before it happens. The very
definition of fact prevents it from making sense.

> > Shouting that a future putative result is a fact doesn't make it so.
>
> and you are ignorant of what I'm saying.
_I_ think I know what you're saying, and I'm embarassed for you.
I think you are saying that it is on track to sell by that time, or
that if you extrapolate the sales rate (which is totally unreliable
yet, anyway) you will see it sells much more.
You can't take first-week sales and project anything reliable. Heck,
people might claim there were 15M Zunes out there.

> > For the record, I have no opinion about the likely success or failure of
> > the
> > iPhone, nor much interest beyond a vague well-wishing for Apple to succeed
> > generally, based mostly on nostalgia. I just don't like to see words like
> > "fact" abused.
>
> you don't understand "facts" within the realm of "advocacy", if my
> "facts" do not hold up, fine, call me on that later,
Inappropriate. Even within advocacy, everything you say needs to be
accurate, not merely 'as true as can be guessed at now.'
What you are doing is trying to make something sem more certain than it
really is, by claiming each reason it might not happen is too
insignificant to be considered. That's a fallacy -- you can't approach
events that way. That's how SS Challenger blew up, dude.

> but the chances are
> zero i'm incorrect, so it is currently a "FACT".
Sorry, but that's just so wrong.
It doesn't take much imagination to figure a few ways that sales rates
could change drastically over a month or two.

> learn how everything in the universe works next time Lew.
There are many things...

java-programmer >> Dying hype: Slowing sales of iPhone In article <email***@***.com>, none
<email***@***.com> wrote:

> do you even know how this market works? you can't use a REAL name for
> info like this, wait for the press release, 1,500,000 sold in the first
> 2 weeks if you don't believe (yet)

But you're not talking about a specific market, are you?
You're talking about general sales predictions and the assumption of a
continuing rate.
Anyone who's ever studied (almost any quantified topic) will tell you
that's invalid. You can't assume the sales rate!

That doesn't mean (obviously) that the result cannot happen -- and it
doesn't mean you were right if it does eventually!

It just means you can't claim it's going to beforehand.
Just because you minimize the variables doesn't mean they really are
smaller.