Eclipse 3.0 released

java-programmer, Eclipse 3.0 released Eclipse is the only IDE in history to give Microsoft Visual Studio
a run for its money.
http://www.eclipse.org

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:email***@***.com...
> Eclipse is the only IDE in history to give Microsoft Visual Studio
> a run for its money.
> http://www.eclipse.org
>

Its nice, seems faster than the previous release candidate and bugs such as
xml files not being viewable have been fixed.

if VS was chalk and Eclipse was cheese, i prefer to eat cheese.. i've been
from jdeveloper, to jbuilder, back to textpad now eclipse - now here to stay
(textpad is second-best though and is faster at loading the screen).

Has anyone tried using eclipse for languages other than java?

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released David Ashe <email***@***.com> wrote or quoted:

> Has anyone tried using eclipse for languages other than java?

I've usd it for writing PHP/Javascript/DHTML projects in.

It worked in a passable fashion.
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java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released David Ashe wrote:

> <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:email***@***.com...
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>>Eclipse is the only IDE in history to give Microsoft Visual Studio
>>a run for its money.
>> http://www.eclipse.org
>>
>
>
> Its nice, seems faster than the previous release candidate and bugs such as
> xml files not being viewable have been fixed.
>
> if VS was chalk and Eclipse was cheese, i prefer to eat cheese.. i've been
> from jdeveloper, to jbuilder, back to textpad now eclipse - now here to stay
> (textpad is second-best though and is faster at loading the screen).
>
> Has anyone tried using eclipse for languages other than java?
>
>

I use it for C# development (I develop Java on my Mac). It crashed a
lot, but it beats using the command line. I hope 3.0 is more stable.

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java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released > i've been
> from jdeveloper, to jbuilder, back to textpad now eclipse - now here to stay
> (textpad is second-best though and is faster at loading the screen).

Same story here.

Eclipse is the first IDE I can remember using that doesn't frequently
make me want to scream and go on a jihad against the developers.

- sarge

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java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released Considering that Eclipse is free, I'm not sure that's saying much.

Don't get me wrong. I think Eclipse is a great dev tool, but I still can't
seem to find how to create and manage any RDBMS from within the IDE. I've
been able to do that since VB 5.

Remember that one of VS's strength's is its integration with MS products.
Now, one man's integration may be another man's lockin. But MS VS .Net is
years ahead of Eclipse. And it always will be because while VS only has to
be a good MS dev tool, Eclipse will always be forced to try to all things to
all people.

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> http://www.eclipse.org
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java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released
"James D Carroll" <email***@***.com> wrote:

> Considering that Eclipse is free, I'm not sure that's saying much.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I think Eclipse is a great dev tool, but I still
can't
> seem to find how to create and manage any RDBMS from within the IDE. I've
> been able to do that since VB 5.

You can't manage a RDBMS from within VB5/6, Mr. Carroll!
You need Access or SqlServer for managing a database.

Database-support for Eclipse is soon to come.
IBM is giving away big parts of its own commercial WSAD-Eclipse-version
to the Eclipse-project. This will include a database-management-tool,
XML- and WSDL-editors and much more.

> Remember that one of VS's strength's is its integration with MS products.

Eclipse can do that too. You can integrate every ActiveX-component
to the Eclipse-workbench if running on Windows.

> Now, one man's integration may be another man's lockin. But MS VS .Net is
> years ahead of Eclipse.

LOL.
Good joke. VS.NET sucks in almost any discipline compared to
a modern IDE like IDEA or Eclipse.

And there is a reason for that : Microsoft lacks competition.

Competition is the name of the game. Competition drives technical progress.
Monopolies are killing technical progress. Microsoft-users should be happy
if a competitors for VS.NET would exist. Borland is a small niche-player in
the market and cannot drive technical progress.

There is lot of competition in Java-world.

> And it always will be because while VS only has to
> be a good MS dev tool, Eclipse will always be force to try to all things
to
> all people.

The Eclipse-platform can do almost everything. It is not only a fantastic
IDE-platform but a rich-client-platform too. Can you use VS.NET as
rich-client-platform too?

SAP's development-tools are based on Eclipse. Same for Novell.
And I can tell you that lots of international companies will do the
same. Tell me one only international company that uses VS.NET
for integrating their own development-tools. VS.NET has an
old-fashioned stone-aged plugin-system based on AcrtiveX,
is closed-source and written in unmanaged code say C++.

You lost.

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released "James D Carroll" <email***@***.com> writes:

> Now, one man's integration may be another man's lockin. But MS VS .Net is
> years ahead of Eclipse. And it always will be because while VS only has to
> be a good MS dev tool, Eclipse will always be forced to try to all things to
> all people.

But Eclipse has several developers making it all things to all people.
It can be extended or modified by anyone who learns the necessary
APIs.

Microsoft has in practice exactly one competitor - Borland - which it
doesn't feel very threatened by. Therefore Visual Studio has no
incentive to improve beyond what Microsoft feels developers need,
presumably still keeping "secrets" to themselves in order to have a
competitive advantage in any application field they choose to enter.

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released Thank you for setting Santa's elf straight. But there's one thing you
left out: Eclipse is a platform that is truly extensible as no other
tool has ever been before. That's why Mickey and its elves are about
to find out what real competition looks like. I predict that Eclipse
will pave everything else to a pancake in the next 12 months....

"Rob S. Pierre" <email***@***.com> wrote in message news:<ccanoc$eof$04$email***@***.com>...
> "James D Carroll" <email***@***.com> wrote:
>
> > Considering that Eclipse is free, I'm not sure that's saying much.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. I think Eclipse is a great dev tool, but I still
> can't
> > seem to find how to create and manage any RDBMS from within the IDE. I've
> > been able to do that since VB 5.
>
> You can't manage a RDBMS from within VB5/6, Mr. Carroll!
> You need Access or SqlServer for managing a database.
>
> Database-support for Eclipse is soon to come.
> IBM is giving away big parts of its own commercial WSAD-Eclipse-version
> to the Eclipse-project. This will include a database-management-tool,
> XML- and WSDL-editors and much more.
>
> > Remember that one of VS's strength's is its integration with MS products.
>
> Eclipse can do that too. You can integrate every ActiveX-component
> to the Eclipse-workbench if running on Windows.
>
> > Now, one man's integration may be another man's lockin. But MS VS .Net is
> > years ahead of Eclipse.
>
> LOL.
> Good joke. VS.NET sucks in almost any discipline compared to
> a modern IDE like IDEA or Eclipse.
>
> And there is a reason for that : Microsoft lacks competition.
>
> Competition is the name of the game. Competition drives technical progress.
> Monopolies are killing technical progress. Microsoft-users should be happy
> if a competitors for VS.NET would exist. Borland is a small niche-player in
> the market and cannot drive technical progress.
>
> There is lot of competition in Java-world.
>
> > And it always will be because while VS only has to
> > be a good MS dev tool, Eclipse will always be force to try to all things
> to
> > all people.
>
> The Eclipse-platform can do almost everything. It is not only a fantastic
> IDE-platform but a rich-client-platform too. Can you use VS.NET as
> rich-client-platform too?
>
> SAP's development-tools are based on Eclipse. Same for Novell.
> And I can tell you that lots of international companies will do the
> same. Tell me one only international company that uses VS.NET
> for integrating their own development-tools. VS.NET has an
> old-fashioned stone-aged plugin-system based on AcrtiveX,
> is closed-source and written in unmanaged code say C++.
>
> You lost.

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released Rob S. Pierre wrote:

>
> "James D Carroll" <email***@***.com> wrote:
>
>> Considering that Eclipse is free, I'm not sure that's saying much.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong. I think Eclipse is a great dev tool, but I still
> can't
>> seem to find how to create and manage any RDBMS from within the IDE. I've
>> been able to do that since VB 5.
>
> You can't manage a RDBMS from within VB5/6, Mr. Carroll!
> You need Access or SqlServer for managing a database.
>

ummm ... VB 4,5,6 and .NET all have RDBMS management through MSDE or Access
or MS SQL or other ODBC compliant RDBMS. and "duh!" what's so surprising
about needing to have a database to manage if you intend to manage it with
VB? Seems kind of obvious that VB is not a RDBMS itself. I reckon you just
missed the point in your haste to type "you lost" at the end of your
message.

> Database-support for Eclipse is soon to come.
> IBM is giving away big parts of its own commercial WSAD-Eclipse-version
> to the Eclipse-project. This will include a database-management-tool,
> XML- and WSDL-editors and much more.
>
>> Remember that one of VS's strength's is its integration with MS products.
>
> Eclipse can do that too. You can integrate every ActiveX-component
> to the Eclipse-workbench if running on Windows.
>

It's nice that eclipse will allow you to use com and com+ objects. It may
even let you write them if you use a C# plugin. I like eclipse for Java
development, but it is not in the same league as VS.NET when it comes to
support for MS operating systems, components, and the .NET framework. Which
is the point the guy you replied to was making.

>> Now, one man's integration may be another man's lockin. But MS VS .Net is
>> years ahead of Eclipse.
>
> LOL.
> Good joke. VS.NET sucks in almost any discipline compared to
> a modern IDE like IDEA or Eclipse.
>

VS.NET is a modern IDE, but if you want religious wars over MS (evil) and
non-MS (good) then you're heading down the right path.

Borland is a small player - even in the Java world - because its products
(especially its 'enterprise' products) are expensive - in the case of
jBuilder it is slow too.

MS did have a Java offering VJ++ (I didn't like it much, and the inclusion
of MS specific keywords and APIs did make it less useful for general Java
development - unless you carefully avoided the MS extensions) and now they
have J# (which i haven't really bothered to look at). But now the Java
market is dominated by free IDEs from a few major vendors - Eclipse from
IBM, Netbeans from Sun, Jdeveloper from Oracle, and one from BEA. There are
some commercial Java IDEs, but i believe they are chiefly purchased by
corporate customers who either have a history of using them or who managed
to get a partnership with their supplier (borland etc).

> And there is a reason for that : Microsoft lacks competition.
>
> Competition is the name of the game. Competition drives technical
> progress. Monopolies are killing technical progress. Microsoft-users
> should be happy if a competitors for VS.NET would exist. Borland is a
> small niche-player in the market and cannot drive technical progress.
>
> There is lot of competition in Java-world.
>

the rant above (the one on competition) is worthy of a religious war.

>> And it always will be because while VS only has to
>> be a good MS dev tool, Eclipse will always be force to try to all things
> to
>> all people.
>
> The Eclipse-platform can do almost everything. It is not only a fantastic
> IDE-platform but a rich-client-platform too. Can you use VS.NET as
> rich-client-platform too?
>
> SAP's development-tools are based on Eclipse. Same for Novell.
> And I can tell you that lots of international companies will do the
> same. Tell me one only international company that uses VS.NET
> for integrating their own development-tools. VS.NET has an
> old-fashioned stone-aged plugin-system based on AcrtiveX,
> is closed-source and written in unmanaged code say C++.
>

ActiveX is stone aged? It may be a little bit dated now but it is perfectly
serviceable. The plugin architecture for eclipse is different from activex
but not 'better'.

> You lost.

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released "James D Carroll" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
news:email***@***.com...
> Considering that Eclipse is free, I'm not sure that's saying much.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I think Eclipse is a great dev tool, but I still
> can't
> seem to find how to create and manage any RDBMS from within the IDE. I've
> been able to do that since VB 5.
>
> Remember that one of VS's strength's is its integration with MS products.
> Now, one man's integration may be another man's lockin. But MS VS .Net is
> years ahead of Eclipse. And it always will be because while VS only has to
> be a good MS dev tool, Eclipse will always be forced to try to all things
> to
> all people.

Check out the plethora of plugins available to do what you want in Eclipse

http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/index.php

-byron

Posted: 2004-10-30 2:58:00

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released email***@***.com wrote:
> Eclipse is the only IDE in history to give Microsoft Visual Studio
> a run for its money.
> http://www.eclipse.org
>

I downloaded and installed the Platform SDK 3.0.1 version for windows,
and also for Linux, but I'm a little puzzled. I also installed the JDK 1.4

I created an empty project, and added a HelloWorld.java file.

Now I want to compile and run it.

When I click on Project, the compile buttons are all greyed out.

There is no feature in the RunAs... menu.

Am I supposed to install something else, like a PlugIn, to be able to do
java compiling ?

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Posted: 2004-10-30 10:38:00

java-programmer >> Eclipse 3.0 released John Bailo wrote:

> Am I supposed to install something else, like a PlugIn, to be able to do
> java compiling ?

ok, i dig.

i need the JDT.

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