the iPhone Widget List!

java-programmer, the iPhone Widget List! wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!

http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/

Those guys are sooooo screwed!

Learn how to make them fast, here:

http://webkit.org/blog/?p=87

Check the left side for the tools...

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java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List!
Oxford wrote:
> wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
> ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
> really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!
>
> http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/
>

Wake me up when u can get more than tepid gimmicky widget toys.

Here's some 3d Java racing games.

http://www.michaelyuan.com/blog/2007/04/23/photo-realistic-3d-driving-games-on-java-mobile-phones/

Notice how puny your iphone widget webapps look in comparison?

I'll give you a tip, if your phone if it cannot use client side apps
(and the iphone is severely crippled because it cannot) can not match
the diversity and capabilities of of other cellphones.

The iphone is a crippled phone that does not allow you to make use of
any of the thousands of free Java games and apps out there on the web.

* Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
Java browser.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! email***@***.com wrote:
>
> Wake me up when u can get more than tepid gimmicky widget toys.
>
> Here's some 3d Java racing games.
>
> http://www.michaelyuan.com/blog/2007/04/23/photo-realistic-3d-driving-games-on-java-mobile-phones/
>
> Notice how puny your iphone widget webapps look in comparison?
>
> I'll give you a tip, if your phone if it cannot use client side apps
> (and the iphone is severely crippled because it cannot) can not match
> the diversity and capabilities of of other cellphones.
>
> The iphone is a crippled phone that does not allow you to make use of
> any of the thousands of free Java games and apps out there on the web.
>
> * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> Java browser.

whoops, the burger got in the way of my typing,

Point is though that java apps will always be better than any widget
toys.Just compare a desktop standalone app like google earth to a
webapp like google maps. Plus, since the market for java apps is a
multi-billion dollar one and worldwide, you can get free games and
apps on the web if your phone can run it.

iphones are severely crippled gadgets that will not allow you to run
the thousands of cool free apps out there.

* ewwww,,burger drippings!

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! email***@***.com wrote:

> > http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/
>
> Wake me up when u can get more than tepid gimmicky widget toys.

gosh, you are such a sore loser.

> Here's some 3d Java racing games.
>
> http://www.michaelyuan.com/blog/2007/04/23/photo-realistic-3d-driving-games-on
> -java-mobile-phones/

then port them over, apple has high end games for the ipod, not silly
stuff like your link above

http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/games/

> Notice how puny your iphone widget webapps look in comparison?

ah, and do you realize there isn't yet a single iphone in the hands of
an owner yet? but in 3 weeks there will be millions in use?

> I'll give you a tip, if your phone if it cannot use client side apps
> (and the iphone is severely crippled because it cannot) can not match
> the diversity and capabilities of of other cellphones.
>
> The iphone is a crippled phone that does not allow you to make use of
> any of the thousands of free Java games and apps out there on the web.
>
> * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> Java browser.

Your just very, very, very jealous of a more advanced phone. I can see
the anger in your posts. Just get an iPhone and make yourself happy for
a change.

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java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List!
"Oxford" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
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> wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
> ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
> really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!
>
> http://www.iphonewidgetlist.com/
>
> Those guys are sooooo screwed!
>
> Learn how to make them fast, here:
>
> http://webkit.org/blog/?p=87
>
> Check the left side for the tools...

55 loooong hours. How will you ever survive?

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! email***@***.com wrote:

> * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> Java browser.

i like white castle in a blue collar sort of way. when you get done
being a redneck, check out Web 2.0 apps. It's looking more and more like
java has died.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/pr/20070611iphone.html

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! email***@***.com wrote:

> > * Having some white castle while tapping this out on my Opera Mini
> > Java browser.
>
> whoops, the burger got in the way of my typing,

if you had an iphone, that wouldn't be an issue :) (just totally kidding)

> Point is though that java apps will always be better than any widget
> toys.Just compare a desktop standalone app like google earth to a
> webapp like google maps.

yes, and Java / Google Earth works quite well on OSX, the same OS inside
the iPhone... hum... could there be a connection???????

> Plus, since the market for java apps is a
> multi-billion dollar one and worldwide, you can get free games and
> apps on the web if your phone can run it.
>
> iphones are severely crippled gadgets that will not allow you to run
> the thousands of cool free apps out there.

Hard to say quite yet, we are still 52 hours out, so while the iPhone
will certainly have MORE apps than any cell phones, the degree of
complexity in the first few months will probably pale in comparison for
around a year, then watch out. It's the whole iPod has 72% share, iPhone
has 72% share simply because it's a better product, and fully runs on
802.11, not some slow "cell" network.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List!
Oxford wrote:
>

ROTFLOL!!!!

You give us some tepid looking little widget thingies and I show you
3D Java apps that I have running on my cell and you want me to use
YOUR puny little apps?

It's hilarious how far from reality some of you macnuts are....

Dude, i have several remote desktop java apps that allow me to log in
to my desktop and servers right now as if i'm right there. Widgets
won't do that.

I also have a Skype app that allows free calls. Widgets won't do
that..

I can name quite a lot of java standalone phone apps that can do
what stupid widgets can't do.

It's like asking ur desktop browser to suddenly work like Photoshop.

Like i said, complain to apple why they are preventing you guys from
access to so many free and useful apps and games by crippling the
iphone.

* tapping on my opera mini java browser while finishing up on lunch.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! email***@***.com wrote:

> ROTFLOL!!!!
>
> You give us some tepid looking little widget thingies and I show you
> 3D Java apps that I have running on my cell and you want me to use
> YOUR puny little apps?

yes, but your 3D app was very primitive, not worthy of consideration for
a high end crowd. Plus it was a silly sports game for kids, not a
serious App.

You need to really realize what you are dealing with here, Bill Joy the
founder of Java is a HUGE mac fan, so Java Apps will be coming to the
iPhone, but not cheesy ones that only interest 10th graders.

> It's hilarious how far from reality some of you macnuts are....

No, most of us know the future, and have designed it. We just have to
deal with underlings that haven't yet caught up to our vision.

> Dude, i have several remote desktop java apps that allow me to log in
> to my desktop and servers right now as if i'm right there. Widgets
> won't do that.

Yes, and Apple has Remote Desktop that puts your Java App to SHAME.

http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/

You don't seem to understand when you are dealing with the Apple world,
you are dealing with the pioneers of all this stuff, Apple sets the
rules for the world, others later follow, and that's been true for
nearly 32 years.

> I also have a Skype app that allows free calls. Widgets won't do
> that..

Not 51 hours before launch, but a few weeks after, Skype will run much
better on the iPhone than any other cell phone made.

> I can name quite a lot of java standalone phone apps that can do
> what stupid widgets can't do.

Then learn how to do it, Java isn't going to make you a single penny,
it's too old school, but Apple's WebKit could make you millions, IF you
put down your silly games and white castle hamburgers and move out of a
blue collar state.

> It's like asking ur desktop browser to suddenly work like Photoshop.
>
> Like i said, complain to apple why they are preventing you guys from
> access to so many free and useful apps and games by crippling the
> iphone.
>
> * tapping on my opera mini java browser while finishing up on lunch.

Great, and only getting about 20% of the functionality of what Safari
for the iPhone can do.

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java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List!
Oxford wrote:
> Hard to say quite yet, we are still 52 hours out, so while the iPhone
> will certainly have MORE apps than any cell phones, the degree of
> complexity in the first few months will probably pale in comparison for
> around a year, then watch out. It's the whole iPod has 72% share, iPhone
> has 72% share simply because it's a better product, and fully runs on
> 802.11, not some slow "cell" network.

dude, are you actually gonna get ANTHING right?

1. Your basic $49 phone actually can run more apps than the iphone
because it can run the thousands of java games and apps on the web
That's the power of having a standard. Apple decided to cripple the
iphone by denying u macnuts the right to use these resources

2. Many other high end phones have wi-fi, my dad's Nokia N95 for one,
which also has a GPS and a 5 megapixel camera. it also runs all java
j2me apps which means it againtrumps the iphone in terms of app
capability

Plus, did you see the hilarious fact that it takes 2 MINUTES for the
iphone browser to view websites???? My Opera Mini java browser spins
the same sites out in a few SECONDS.

Again apple denies you CHOICE becauae the iphone cannot run this java
app. I'm sure quite a lot of people would not want to spend ages just
trying to get to yahoo.com! :-)

* I think I'll pass by the library and look up 'Macnuts'.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List!
Oxford wrote:
>
> Then learn how to do it, Java isn't going to make you a single penny,

Since the mobile app business is a multi-billion dollar industry, how
exactly is this true? If you were at WCCD you'd know how disappointed
even the mac developers were whe n they heard there would be no sdk
for iphone. It's a SEVERELY crippled and expensive toy.

> it's too old school, but Apple's WebKit could make you millions, IF you
> put down your silly games and white castle hamburgers and move out of a
> blue collar state.

Uh, i'm a java server side guy. Java powers most of the largest
businesses on the planet including ebay, google. nasdaq, etc etc.
These are the guys with money and why Java is tops in popularity of
languages and in # of jobs.

> Great, and only getting about 20% of the functionality of what Safari
> for the iPhone can do.

Really? The reviewers don't think so..And opera mini will run flash
soon while safari will not.

Dude, give it up... ur obviously a non-tech guy and only a "fan" of
apple.

* geez..it's getting ready to rain here in NJ but i continue to post
on my FAST opera mini java browser.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! email***@***.com wrote:

> Since the mobile app business is a multi-billion dollar industry,

well the "app" business is not "multi-billion" so started off on the
wrong track.

> how
> exactly is this true? If you were at WCCD you'd know how disappointed
> even the mac developers were whe n they heard there would be no sdk
> for iphone. It's a SEVERELY crippled and expensive toy.

what is WCCD? if you don't even know what the largest Unix app
conference is called, how in the hell are you going to know what is
going on in mobile phone development?

> > it's too old school, but Apple's WebKit could make you millions, IF you
> > put down your silly games and white castle hamburgers and move out of a
> > blue collar state.
>
> Uh, i'm a java server side guy. Java powers most of the largest
> businesses on the planet including ebay, google. nasdaq, etc etc.
> These are the guys with money and why Java is tops in popularity of
> languages and in # of jobs.

hate to break the news, but ebay, google, nasdaq, ect... don't "run" on
java. sure, sure there are some small aspects that do, but java is a 5%
story with these companies.

> > Great, and only getting about 20% of the functionality of what Safari
> > for the iPhone can do.
>
> Really? The reviewers don't think so..And opera mini will run flash
> soon while safari will not.

but the iPhone runs for 6-8 hours, what does your cell phone running
Opera mini run for? I'd rather have the FULL internet and FULL speed for
most of the day, than have a clunky kid internet for 3 hours and then I
have to turn it off.

> Dude, give it up... ur obviously a non-tech guy and only a "fan" of
> apple.
>
> * geez..it's getting ready to rain here in NJ but i continue to post
> on my FAST opera mini java browser.

Your primitive opera browser, the big kids will all use the iPhone.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List!
none wrote:
> hate to break the news, but ebay, google, nasdaq, ect... don't "run" on
> java. sure, sure there are some small aspects that do, but java is a 5%
> story with these companies.
>

hate to break it to you, but you're an idiot. Google is Java and
python mostly in the backend ( a LOT of google's top tech guys are
from Sun, you know, the inventor of Java - I even regularly go to
google's NYC office for Java lectures), the nasdaq backend is mostly
Java and transitioning to real time java, and eBay actually has a Java
LOGO on the upper right hand side that says it's "powered by Java."

Please stop embarrasing urself you mcnut....

> Your primitive opera browser, the big kids will all use the iPhone.

Uh, ok. You go on with your delusions now. A phone that can't work on
office docs and presentations, cannot run thousands of apps and games
except for tiny little widgets, has a slow ass browser...uh
sure....iphone is for "big" kids, but i'm an adult and adults need
mire than expensive CRIPPLED toys.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! In article <email***@***.com>,
email***@***.com wrote:

> Like i said, complain to apple why they are preventing you guys from
> access to so many free and useful apps and games by crippling the
> iphone.
>
> * tapping on my opera mini java browser while finishing up on lunch

Opera Mini crashes my Treo. LOL
Can't wait for things that work. (Like my Mac does)

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java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! In article <email***@***.com>,
Roedy Green <email***@***.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:53:04 -0600, Oxford <email***@***.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
> >wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
> >ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
> >really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!
>
> I have five beefs with Apple over the iPhone.
>
> 1. they won't tell me what CPU it has.

Why do you care?

>
> 2. they won't tell me the clock speed.

Why do you care?

>
> 3. they won't tell me how much RAM it has.

Why do you care?

>
> 4. It does not run Java and Steve Jobs spat on Java when asked about
> support.

"spat"? Please.

>
> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> has one of the worst data networks.

They did what was required to get the phone available.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! Roedy Green wrote:
> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> has one of the worst data networks.

Lots of phones have single-network versions (my Treo 650, for example,
is Cingular-only). That will take care of itself in time.
--
John W. Kennedy
"...if you had to fall in love with someone who was evil, I can see why
it was her."
-- "Alias"

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! Roedy Green wrote:

> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> has one of the worst data networks.

T-Mobile has an even worse data network. The GSM networks in the U.S.
are not very good for data at this juncture, and are far behind the high
speed data services offered by Verizon and Sprint. But Verizon turned
down the iPhone and then Apple went to Cingular. You get what you get or
you get nothing.

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! "Alan Baker" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
>> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
>> has one of the worst data networks.
>
> They did what was required to get the phone available.

word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy. given
that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not just make it
an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever (gsm) network they
want?

java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! At 28 Jun 2007 18:11:32 -0700 ed wrote:

> word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy.
> given that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not
> just make it an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever
> (gsm) network they want?

Because then Apple would lose the benefit of someone else (AT&T) wasting
their ad dollars hyping Apple's product. And the benefit of a carrier
selling it for them.

Also, Apple needed the carrier support of a lowish-priced data plan and
backend for the "Visual Voicemail" feature.

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java-programmer >> the iPhone Widget List! "Todd Allcock" <email***@***.com> wrote in message
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> At 28 Jun 2007 18:11:32 -0700 ed wrote:
>
>> word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy.
>> given that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not
>> just make it an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever
>> (gsm) network they want?
>
> Because then Apple would lose the benefit of someone else (AT&T) wasting
> their ad dollars hyping Apple's product.

given all the media hype, and jobs mastery of the media, i don't think
that's really an issue...

> And the benefit of a carrier
> selling it for them.

or maybe more carriers would have carried it...

> Also, Apple needed the carrier support of a lowish-priced data plan

i don't think edge is the main attraction of this phone, eh? :D

> and
> backend for the "Visual Voicemail" feature.

that's the one thing- seems like a relatively minor thing for an exclusive
carry.

and to counter all you points at once, rumors are that apple may go it alone
in europe... ;D